Languages you should, and should not, know

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rapsam2003
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Re: Languages you should, and should not, know

Postby rapsam2003 Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:04 am

Drow is a language. It's a mix of elven, undercommon and other words picked up here and there. Of course Rapsam had to say I was wrong and give some kind of counter argument, even though learning drow or understanding little bits of drow here and there cuz somebody knows elven isn't the same thing.
Dialects =/= languages. Here's what "Drow language" is, right out of "Drow of the Underdark", p. 38:
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Huh, weird. Drow don't have their own language...


If the actual sourcebook doesn't put to bed this whole thread, then frankly we may as well as homebrew everything and start acting like Haven with our own custom lore. /sarcasm

On a serious note, if we want to rule one must know Undercommon and Elvish to know "Drow speech", fine. But that's a staff call.
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Re: Languages you should, and should not, know

Postby Jentorei Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:33 am

Amazing Greyhawk drow language lore you got there bro.
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Re: Languages you should, and should not, know

Postby edmaster44 Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:20 am

Amazing Greyhawk drow language lore you got there bro.
Core DnD book actually...
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Re: Languages you should, and should not, know

Postby rapsam2003 Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:11 am

Amazing Greyhawk drow language lore you got there bro.
Too bad it applies to all D&D settings, not just Greyhawk or Forgotten Realms, etc., etc., etc.
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Re: Languages you should, and should not, know

Postby Rhicora Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:45 am

Amazing Greyhawk drow language lore you got there bro.

If you are constructive and point out lore discrepancies helpfully, people will listen. If you post garbage with cheeky comments no one will listen to you. Please save everyone's time and attention and don't post garbage.

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Per what we know of Forgotten Realms lore, Drow will be treated as a distinct language - a dialect of Elven that is sufficiently different from the one surface elves are taught from birth. When the drow are speaking freely in their own dialect, an elf or native undercommon-speaker who hasn't spent much time with drow will have a difficult time following it. We know that it's hard to understand initially, so we represent that ingame with a different DMFI language.

With that said, I do not object to people picking Drow up, particularly if they already know Elven and/or Skullport's dialect of Common, which is influenced by Undercommon (this is what you speak without a language selected). It is possible for almost any Skulker to pick up this dialect by spending a lot of time around the Ilythiiri; it's not a secret language by any means. However, these players should put some thought into how and when their characters learned it. "My character has a history with this subset of Skullport drow" is a far better reason to know the nuances of their speech than "because there are lots of drow PCs."

tl;dr: language of its own, not impossible to learn

Thanks for the lively discussion all!

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